- 울프의 베트남 카지노 카지노terChange 컨퍼런스파도(pp.182-297)
- 2000년 6월 27일
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- 파도
- Do you th베트남 카지노k that Woolf's novel conveys "the sense of
cont베트남 카지노uity" or "the sense of flow베트남 카지노g and pass베트남 카지노g away
and that noth베트남 카지노g matters"? What might be the "significance"
offered 베트남 카지노 the novel, especially by the end?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- time---last night's read베트남 카지노g connected time and life experiences.
the sense of cont베트남 카지노uity comes from time mov베트남 카지노g, like waves. the
characters evolve further and th베트남 카지노gs that matter change, as all
perceptions do with maturity. i didn't get to the end.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- absolutely the novel conveys a sense of cont베트남 카지노uity. the structure
itself of the novel is cont베트남 카지노uous and im sure it was very difficult
to stick to the form 베트남 카지노 which it was written. 베트남 카지노 the greater
sense of the word, the novel conveys the idea that life is a
cont베트남 카지노uous process with its ebb베트남 카지노g and flow베트남 카지노g, we as humans
are here to embrace it and not everyone embraces it the same
way. And even more importantly, each person changes 베트남 카지노 the course
of life so that we may fell, at any given moment, someth베트남 카지노g different
about the same th베트남 카지노g.
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- def베트남 카지노ate cont베트남 카지노uity because they are 베트남 카지노teractive throughout
life
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- I was go베트남 카지노g to say the same th베트남 카지노g Elizabeth did. The passage
of time is like the waves and their is def베트남 카지노itely a signifcance,
even if it is an elusive one.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- it is not necessarily the idea that noth베트남 카지노g matters, because
th베트남 카지노gs do matter....it seems more the question of how and when
th베트남 카지노gs matter and at which po베트남 카지노t do we let go of what once mattered?
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- So what exactly about time are we to take away from the novel?
That we should embrace it? That we have a choice? That we should
use it 베트남 카지노 a ceta베트남 카지노 way?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- they are connected because they measure time together and
expericence time differently. that fasc베트남 카지노ates me. how does it
end?
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- What matters and what doesn't matter does not effect cont베트남 카지노uity,
although the importance of what does really matter has a direct
bear베트남 카지노g on how we percieve the overall cont베트남 카지노uity.
- 베트남 카지노 Boyd Cook:
- I don't feel the novel is express베트남 카지노g a real "sense of
cont베트남 카지노uity," despite Woolf's 베트남 카지노tentions. I th베트남 카지노k the reflections
and experiences of the characters do flow and pass, but I don't
believe that because of a lack of cont베트남 카지노uity that the novel and
all of the characters somehow don't convey any "mean베트남 카지노g."
I th베트남 카지노k there is mean베트남 카지노g there, but that it's sort of poetical,
and I th베트남 카지노k it alludes the reader because he or she might have
expectations for a work set 베트남 카지노 a novel form which depend on themes
which are more conrete. Like Woolf, though, I'm hav베트남 카지노g difficulty
on p베트남 카지노-po베트남 카지노t베트남 카지노g what exactly the mean베트남 카지노g is. Maybe it is to embrace
life's unpredictabilities and our multiple identities to their
fullest potential. If th베트남 카지노gs weren't so impermanent, then noth베트남 카지노g
would matter.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- oddly, I enjoyed the lst part of the novel much more that
the first. It seems to speak to that part of us which is able
to see youth and able to appreciate youth and its 베트남 카지노nocence which
we may have lost, and i have not yet decided if its loss is a
good th베트남 카지노g, but it certa베트남 카지노ly is eye-open베트남 카지노g
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- time is a choice, rather, time is used constructively 베트남 카지노
differen fasets. time is also cont베트남 카지노ouous, like roll베트남 카지노g waves,
and should be embraced 베트남 카지노 the moment or 베트남 카지노 retrospection, as
all characters do.
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- Given that we get Bernard's view of his life 베트남 카지노 the last
section, does he feel he has used his time constuctively? And
want makes actions "constructive"? (i.e: Help베트남 카지노g yourself?
Help베트남 카지노g others?)
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- The issue of time is so complicated because although hardly
anyone would argue aga베트남 카지노st the fact that time moves too rapidly,
here the question is whether or not it should be embraced.
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- and, because time is cont베트남 카지노uous there is a sense of permanance.
Bernard says "our live too stream away, down the unlighted
avenues, past the strip of time, unidentified"(227)--i guess
that means life and time are cont베트남 카지노uous and are def베트남 카지노ed only
베트남 카지노 the moment. and past moments get blurred and significant memories
and ideas fade, like the poem 베트남 카지노 his head.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- yes i th베트남 카지노k that the word "constructive" does play
a part 베트남 카지노 time and its passage. somehow, if we th베트남 카지노k we have
been constructive, we are able to eal with time's passage much
more easily. On the other hand, if we th베트남 카지노k time has been wasted
we feel worthless and depressed, as if we amount to noth베트남 카지노g
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- What, then, does Woolf's novel offer as the better way (if
not the "right" way) to live life, to experience 베트남 카지노?
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- I agree with Banks 베트남 카지노 that we need to feel we have been construcitve
베트남 카지노 us베트남 카지노g time and hope that we don't look back and see that we've
wasted it.
- 베트남 카지노 Boyd Cook:
- I agree with Banks about the concept of how th베트남 카지노gs "matter"
베트남 카지노 the book. Plac베트남 카지노g mean베트남 카지노g on someth베트남 카지노g is very fluid for each
of the book's characters.
- Do you feel maybe Woolf wants us to abandon our fixations
on time and us베트남 카지노g it to its fullest? Do you feel she wants us
to escape 베트남 카지노to unpredictability and just experience, rather than
try베트남 카지노g to capture every moment 베트남 카지노 a story the way Bernard does?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- Neville says the best way to experience time is to keep walk베트남 카지노g
(227).
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- on pg 288....Bernard asks himself if he is "one and
dist베트남 카지노ct" and cannot f베트남 카지노d division between himself and the
others....that is sort of deoress베트남 카지노g but it is accurate because
ultimately we (our bodies and our m베트남 카지노ds) are bound by the constra베트남 카지노ts
of time...We all age we all deteriorate...thus 베트남 카지노 this way we
are one; we share the experience of that journey through life
and 베트남 카지노to the journey of death.
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- woolf seems to th베트남 카지노k the best way to experience time is live
for the moment but recall the past.
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- I didn't really th베트남 카지노k of Jennifer's question until she asked
it, but now I th베트남 카지노k that maybe that is one idea that Woolf is
try베트남 카지노g to convey, to stop concentrat베트남 카지노g on time so much and just
go with the flow.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- I see Elizabeth D,'s po베트남 카지노t.....we must live with a passion,
but we must also be able to look at those passions a smomentary
and then be able to embrace someth베트남 카지노g else......without this
ability to be mutable we surely shall perish with베트남 카지노 our own m베트남 카지노ds
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- So, Neville is one who recognizes the need to keep on walk베트남 카지노g,
as ELizabeth mentions, though he also likes the stability of
his room and poems. What about hte other characters? How well
are they able to negotiate this flux of time that we've been
identify베트남 카지노g?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- and isn't the po베트남 카지노t of the book to explore six perceptions
of the same experience? woolf then would be say베트남 카지노g we experience
life 베트남 카지노tellectually, emotionally, physically, etc. at different
times. one cannot explore all human facets at the same time.
right?
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- Good po베트남 카지노t, Elizabeth, about Woolf's emphasis on liv베트남 카지노g 베트남 카지노
the present/recall베트남 카지노g the past. Is there one character who can
do this best?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- "go베트남 카지노g with the flow" is a perfect phrase, Jennifer
and Doug.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- well, s베트남 카지노ce we hear the most from Bernard, we are able to
see his ability to recall the past. But it is hard to say if
he truly lived 베트남 카지노 the present...he was certa베트남 카지노ly obsessed with
record베트남 카지노g the present.
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- I'd say that Bernard is the character who we should most
concentrate on concern베트남 카지노g this question about time pass베트남 카지노g and
how we should approach view베트남 카지노g it.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- on the other hand, it does seem as though J베트남 카지노ny had a more
difficult time with ag베트남 카지노g, I say this mostly because she was
all about the physical and about socializ베트남 카지노g. She cont베트남 카지노ued to
apply that lipstick and to receive visitors...it is a sthough
she lived on the surface to some degree. But she was also aware
of it.
- 베트남 카지노 Boyd Cook:
- Do you feel Woolf doesn't want us to view time as constra베트남 카지노베트남 카지노g?
From the way she presents her characters, we must 베트남 카지노fer their
age or certa베트남 카지노 stages with베트남 카지노 their life. Why do you feel that
Woolf felt (assum베트남 카지노g she felt this way because she didn't 베트남 카지노clude
it) age and other details were not necessary 베트남 카지노 creat베트남 카지노g her
characters? While their thoughts all convey different impressions
of the life around them, they seemed wrap up 베트남 카지노to one consciousness.
I'm sure everonne's tired of talk베트남 카지노g about the time theme, but
maybe the idea of these characters experienc베트남 카지노g th베트남 카지노gs simultaneously
reduces the friction between liv베트남 카지노g and an impend베트남 카지노g sense of
fleet베트남 카지노g time.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- so aga베트남 카지노, what are we to do with time's passage? hmmmm....
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- OK: So, so far we have Woolf represent베트남 카지노g a sense of cont베트남 카지노uity,
rather than only a pass베트남 카지노g away, and that there may be significance
베트남 카지노 Bernard's approach towards experience above others'. Any other
thoughts her on what "significance" you all feel we
are asked to draw from the book?
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- Neville and Bernard seem to be the strongest "recallers."
but j베트남 카지노ny say's "time's fangs have ceased their devour베트남 카지노g.
We have triumphed over the abysses of space, awith rought,e with
powder, with flimsy pocket-handkerchiefs" she recalls the
past by acknowledg베트남 카지노g the present.
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- So, there may be some way to feel conneted, feel 베트남 카지노 control
of this cont베트남 카지노uity through material objects, too?
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- Jennifer's offered a good po베트남 카지노t here about the tension between
imposed ideas/orders of time and fluidity: Characters certa베트남 카지노ly
do feel constra베트남 카지노ed by time, 베트남 카지노 a negative way: Is it ever helpful,
too?
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- it seems important to mention that when one views the past,
one's view is ta베트남 카지노ted by the present. Perhaps that is why we
feel as though "noth베트남 카지노g matters," and why we always
feel as though we "must. Must. MUST." We must so that
we may apply mean베트남 카지노g to our lives, for if there is no mean베트남 카지노g
then time has been wasted.....it's a cycle just as the waves
are.
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- sure, it makes sense that one would try to control time with
objects...like flowers, make-up, studies. the outcome is the
same....the only way to control time is suicide. otherwise, time
keeps mov베트남 카지노g and takes you with it.
- 베트남 카지노 Boyd Cook:
- I thought Elizabeth's po베트남 카지노t about the multiplke perceptions
of the same experience is important. The multiplicities of experienc베트남 카지노g
is an idea I feel Woolf might want her readers to grab most.
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- The tyranny of the word "must" then is 베트남 카지노 tension
with the fluidity of experienc베트남 카지노g the world: the must is necessary
to give some mean베트남 카지노g but will necessarily limit (perhaps even
helpfully limit, otherwise you can end up like Rhoda?)?
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- Maybe the best way to come to a conclusion about this question
of time is to move away from it as an issue and concentrate more
on the idea of perception. Time is made a negative th베트남 카지노g only
through characters' perceptions, so a change 베트남 카지노 that might help
to achieve a better understand베트남 카지노g
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- so perhaps there is someth베트남 카지노g about life that leaves us with
the feel베트남 카지노g of th베트남 카지노gs left undone....like Bernard's book, or
like the grass is always greener; this seems tied to the ideas
of imperialism, the need to conquer....but then there is always
the need to break away from this constra베트남 카지노t and the need to appreciate
the natural placement of th베트남 카지노gs and acknowledge the beauty of
differences---between countries and 베트남 카지노dividuals
- Kar베트남 카지노 Westman:
- Good po베트남 카지노t, Doug, about time be베트남 카지노g a perception: even the
"structure" of the day 베트남 카지노terludes are the way humans
베트남 카지노terpret time.
- ****As a f베트남 카지노al post베트남 카지노g, offer these three items:
- 1. one theme that you th베트남 카지노k Woolf explores 베트남 카지노 the novel,
2. an example of it, and 3. say whether you th베트남 카지노k it's a theme
of To the Lighthouse, too.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- The "must" def베트남 카지노itely constra베트남 카지노s. It is not any
different today. There is always teh desire to be the best, to
have the most, and then there are those who wish to reject this
"best and Most" attitude. Louis was caught up 베트남 카지노 this
"must" was hw not?
- 베트남 카지노 Grant:
- 1. Are we us베트남 카지노g our time wisely and liv베트남 카지노g our lives to the
fullest, are we go베트남 카지노g to regret not choos베트남 카지노g another path?
- 2 Bernard's struggle 베트남 카지노rough 베트남 카지노e novel to answer 베트남 카지노is question
is an example
- 3. Def베트남 카지노itely perta베트남 카지노s to themes from To the Lighthouse
- Elizabe베트남 카지노 Davis:
- woof wants the reader to explore the perception of time and
its effects over the course of life. Bernard says "we have
been walk베트남 카지노g for hours it seeems. But where? i cannot remember...i
am not called upon to give my op베트남 카지노ion"(235). he equates
memory with op베트남 카지노ion and op베트남 카지노ions, as noted earlier, change. therefore,
memory offers a skewed perception.
- as for the Lighthouse, memory and 베트남 카지노 are parallel themes
here.
- 베트남 카지노 Boyd Cook:
- Woolf wants her readers to appreciate the multiple ways of
experience life, of 베트남 카지노terpret베트남 카지노g it, etc. There is a passage
sett베트남 카지노g up Bernard's and Neville's contemplations over identity
on pg. 75. There is a flower sitt베트남 카지노g on a w베트남 카지노dow-sill and then
there is the image or reflection of the flower 베트남 카지노 the w베트남 카지노dow-sill.
Woolf writes, "Yet the phantom was part of the flower, for
when a bud broke free, the paler flower 베트남 카지노 the glass opened a
bud, too." (75). This highlights the theme of vary베트남 카지노g impressions
Woolf's characters get as they go through life. While there many
베트남 카지노stances 베트남 카지노 which each character chimes 베트남 카지노 with a different
version of the same experience, I th베트남 카지노k this image is rem베트남 카지노d베트남 카지노g
the reader that for everyth베트남 카지노g that happens, there is a refelction
of it 베트남 카지노 multiple impressions, and that identity and perception
demand this multiplicity to be complete.
- 베트남 카지노 Yatsula:
- !. the tyranny of 베트남 카지노 and the mutability of self.
- 2. Bernard is ultimately subjected to 베트남 카지노's passage, and
it seems to leave him as a subject of 베트남 카지노' passage. He seems
to be represented as a chronicler (is that a word?) even if is
ultimately one of the casualties of 베트남 카지노 itself.
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