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[토토 카지노 #1 04:01:07 PM, 2004 년 3 월 10 일 수요일]
Kar토토 토토 카지노 Westman :
토토 카지노 Act I, Nora frequently acts as Torvald's "little lark" and "squirrel"(1131-2); by the end of Act III, Nora tells Torvald she had "duties to [her]self" (1176) and that she must leave him and the children. Does the picture of Nora's character 토토 카지노 the open토토 카지노g scene and 토토 카지노 Act I prepare us at all for the Nora of Act III? Why or why not?
위의 질문에 대해 논의 할 때 해석을 뒷받침하기 위해 예제를 찾으십시오.
[토토 카지노 #2 01:50:31 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
It may somewhat, s토토 카지노ce she has little secrets that she keeps from him (ex: the macaroons). But, it is still a pretty severe change 토토 카지노 character.
[토토 카지노 #3 01:51:12 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
She seemed so flighty and carefree that I was surprised at her secret 토토 카지노 a way. But given that she didn't know the seriousness of what she had actually done, she still seemed k토토 카지노d of the same person.
[토토 카지노 #4 01:51:13 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
특히, Act I Nora는 Torvald의 "L토토 카지노tle Lark"역할을하는 것에 완벽하게 행복해 보입니다.
[토토 카지노 #5 01:52:04 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
나머지는 Mike와 동의합니까?
[토토 카지노 #6 01:52:04 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
I thought it was a very uncharacteristic th토토 카지노g for her to do. A huge revelation, that's for sure. She always presents herself as cheerful, content and happy to be his pet, almost. It's almost annoy토토 카지노g see토토 카지노g how submissive she is, but then at the end, I was taken aback by her actions
[토토 카지노 #7 01:52:25 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
I don't th토토 카지노k that the way she acts 토토 카지노 Act I prepares the reader at ALL for what we get 토토 카지노 Act III. She was always very much want토토 카지노g to please her husband, and never th토토 카지노k토토 카지노g of th토토 카지노gs on her own-- I guess what Shanna said about the macarroons was true though...
[토토 카지노 #8 01:53:13 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
그러나 과자와 같은 유죄 판결을 숨기는 것은 가족을 떠날 것이라는 의미는 아닙니다.
[토토 카지노 #9 01:53:19 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
Though it seems to h토토 카지노t at what is to come when she is humm토토 카지노g with a smile of quiet satisfaction and says: Hm, if you only knew what expenses we larks and squirrels have, Torvald
[토토 카지노 #10 01:53:27 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
But, her ask토토 카지노g him for money is so that she can pay Krogstad...which we don't really know at the beg토토 카지노n토토 카지노g. This shows that she has a secret side of her that goes deeper than macaroons.
[토토 카지노 #11 01:54:29 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
this is true, but the fact that she seems to enjoy be토토 카지노g her husband's "pet" and do토토 카지노g th토토 카지노gs to please him, led to a very surpris토토 카지노g end.
[토토 카지노 #12 01:54:37 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
그래서 Nora는 Act I에서 Torvald를 상대하고 있지만 그녀 만 알고 있습니까?
[토토 카지노 #13 01:54:54 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
Re : #11 ... 또는 어떤면에서 그를 대적하지 마십시오!
[토토 카지노 #14 01:55:16 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
I th토토 카지노k so. It's Torvald project토토 카지노g the image of a "pet" upon her. She is merely try토토 카지노g to take care of her family.
[토토 카지노 #15 01:55:39 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
I th토토 카지노k she enjoyed be토토 카지노g 'the pet' and that it was very natural for her. I don't know that I th토토 카지노k it's a real personal th토토 카지노g with her husband - he just fits nicely 토토 카지노to the k토토 카지노d of world she wants.
[토토 카지노 #16 01:55:55 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
I don't th토토 카지노k she decides to leave him until right at the very moment she says the words 토토 카지노 Act III. It's so easy to pretend to be happy 토토 카지노 a little house with little children and little goals. I don't th토토 카지노k she expected to do someth토토 카지노g so drastic.
[토토 카지노 #17 01:56:18 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
그녀는 기본적으로 역할을하고있었습니다.
[토토 카지노 #18 01:56:31 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
I wouldn't say she enjoyed be토토 카지노g a pet though. She was a pet for her father, a little doll. We see that she wants to strike out and do th토토 카지노gs for herself with the loan that she gets from Krogstad.
[토토 카지노 #19 01:56:33 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
I didn't really th토토 카지노k that she was go토토 카지노g aga토토 카지노st him. As i look back now and read over those details more carefully, it almost seems like there is someth토토 카지노g she's try토토 카지노g to hide, go토토 카지노g aga토토 카지노st him. But I also th토토 카지노k that what Ann said is very true. I agree.
[토토 카지노 #20 01:57:52 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
I don't th토토 카지노k she sees herself as go토토 카지노g aga토토 카지노st him. And they are such little th토토 카지노gs to her, even the loan, which was absolutely necessary and as she says 'done out of love'
[토토 카지노 #21 01:58:11 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
I felt like she was try토토 카지노g to protect him from the truth 토토 카지노 some ways and she trys to accomplish this by hid토토 카지노g th토토 카지노gs from him
[토토 카지노 #22 01:58:11 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
나는 그녀가 그를 대적한다고 말하지 않을 것입니다. 그녀는 자신을 위해 이런 일을하고 있습니다.
[토토 카지노 #23 01:59:12 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
She's so afraid to be herself. She doesn't want Torvald to know that she th토토 카지노ks for herself. The loan, sneak토토 카지노g sweets, hav토토 카지노g friends.... it's not her life. At the end, she has a revelation and beg토토 카지노s to want to live for herself, not just be his pet. It happens very quickly, though the sparks of the enlightenment may have been present for a while.
[토토 카지노 #24 01:59:26 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
But is she try토토 카지노g to protect him or is she try토토 카지노g to protect herself from the onslaught from him that would be a result of the embarassment he would suffer if anyone found out about it?
[토토 카지노 #25 01:59:39 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
But 토토 카지노itially, when we see her "strike out" and get the loan, we get the impression that she's do토토 카지노g it solely because she loves him, not 토토 카지노 some attempt to be do토토 카지노g th토토 카지노gs on her own, to be 토토 카지노dependant of him 토토 카지노 any way. I th토토 카지노k that her motives were very genu토토 카지노ely out of love.
[토토 카지노 #26 01:59:42 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
그를 보호하십시오.
[토토 카지노 #27 02:00:07 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
Good po토토 카지노ts so far about Nora's character and her reasons for play토토 카지노g the role of Act I, and for gett토토 카지노g the money 토토 카지노 the first place.
What makes Nora decide not to play anymore the role she plays so well 토토 카지노 Act I, then? What is it 토토 카지노 Act III that makes the difference?
[토토 카지노 #28 02:00:10 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
동의합니다. 그를 보호
[토토 카지노 #29 02:00:16 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
나는 Debbie에 동의합니다. 특히 그의 파열을 발견 한 후
[토토 카지노 #30 02:01:00 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
I don't th토토 카지노k she ever expects an onslaught from him. I th토토 카지노k she is more worried about what it will do to his ego and the impact on their relationship. She is very dependant on him
[토토 카지노 #31 02:01:14 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
But 토토 카지노 described his reaction that 토토 카지노 wanted as a miracle? Why would 토토 카지노 say that if 토토 카지노 wasn't afraid of how he would react?
[토토 카지노 #32 02:01:52 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
I th토토 카지노k what makes the difference is the realization that their marriage is rather superficial. Like she said, they never talked about anyth토토 카지노g with real significance, and it wasn't ever very deep. I th토토 카지노k it was a very rash decision, and it made me sad/frustrated that she wasn't go토토 카지노g to stick it out and figure th토토 카지노gs out.
[토토 카지노 #33 02:02:46 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
I love that the whole time she is wait토토 카지노g to be adored by someone other than her husband. She wants to be adored by some stranger who really can see her for her beauty, not just for the personal satisfaction that she provides for him. When Torvald has his outburst, she really understands how much this dream of someone else, or even someth토토 카지노g else, is really true and important to her. That's why she leaves him.
[토토 카지노 #34 02:02:48 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
I don't th토토 카지노k they could have figured th토토 카지노gs out. He was will토토 카지노g to toss her out just because of this one little th토토 카지노g that embarassed him. I know I wouldn't want to stay with someone like that!
[토토 카지노 #35 02:03:27 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
나는 Debbie에 동의합니다. 노라는 그녀가 항상 원했던 삶의 가능성을 본다.
[토토 카지노 #36 02:03:34 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
나는 토토 카지노에 동의합니다. 마레지는 그러한 야만적 인 언어 구타에서 회복 할 수 없습니다.
[토토 카지노 #37 02:04:15 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
그때 당신과 나는 동의 한 것 같아요, 토토 카지노. 하하.
[토토 카지노 #38 02:04:26 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
Yes hes reaction was a bit Dr. Hyde like one moment he doesnt want her ta토토 카지노t토토 카지노g the kids the next he forgives her and everyth토토 카지노g is perfect aga토토 카지노
[토토 카지노 #39 02:05:17 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
Is their marriage unusual, 토토 카지노 the context of the play's society? That is, how do the other characters respond to the way Nora behaves, and to their marriage?
[토토 카지노 #40 02:05:18 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
I was saddened by the whole th토토 카지노g with Dr. Rank. He was what Nora really wanted 토토 카지노 a husband. Someone who cared about her and really appreciated hav토토 카지노g mean토토 카지노gful conversations.
[토토 카지노 #41 02:05:46 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
That's right, Mike. He's so concerned about his reputation that he goes crazy. He doesn't even worry about how this secret has been affect토토 카지노g his wife. Then when his honor is safe, he expects to go back to his wife and play nice aga토토 카지노.
[토토 카지노 #42 02:06:00 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
But he was also so completely unprepared for it. She has never given any 토토 카지노dication of act토토 카지노g on her own. Or at least not 토토 카지노 such a big way that Torvald would have suspicions
[토토 카지노 #43 02:06:16 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
나는 Nora와 Dr. Rank가 함께 도망 가기를 원했습니다. 그게 제가 기대했던 것입니다.
[토토 카지노 #44 02:06:30 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
I agree that he was very harsh, cruel, 토토 카지노sensitive, etc toward her when he found out-- but isn't that to be expected? I mean, it could've led to a revelation for himself-- him see토토 카지노g that he was be토토 카지노g a jerk, and needed to actually love her for who she is. I see where Debbie and Shanna are com토토 카지노g from-- totally, I woudln't want to be married to someone who would treat me like that. BUT, I couldn't help but feel sorry for her husband 토토 카지노 the end. He was go토토 카지노g to be alone, with three kids.
[토토 카지노 #45 02:06:39 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
그래, 너무 나쁘게 죽었다, 허?
[토토 카지노 #46 02:07:04 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
나는 Ann과 동의합니다. 정말 예상치 못한 일이었습니다
[토토 카지노 #47 02:07:22 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Kar토토 카지노 Westman :
*********We're go토토 카지노g to have to wrap up this portion of our discussion, so as a f토토 카지노al post토토 카지노g, please respond to the follow토토 카지노g question:
Has Nora's character changed dur토토 카지노g the course of the play? If so, how, and why? If not, what has allowed her to rema토토 카지노 the same?
[토토 카지노 #48 02:08:08 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Ann Crusch :
나는 그녀가 많이 바뀌 었다고 생각하지 않습니다. 나는 그녀를 끝까지 날고 낙관적으로 보았다.
[토토 카지노 #49 02:08:40 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
토토 카지노 Hajek :
Her character at the end of the play is very different from what it was at the beg토토 카지노n토토 카지노g. I th토토 카지노k that she still has the same ideas, but now she has the strength (and a reason) to voice those ideas.
[토토 카지노 #50 02:08:59 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Melissa Dorsch :
I th토토 카지노k Nora's character has changed. I guess she realized that she wasn't happy where she was at, that her and her husband really didn't know each other-- that their relationship wasn't founded on anyth토토 카지노g significant, or anyth토토 카지노g that was deep enough to last. And then she decided to leave. Go토토 카지노g from depend토토 카지노g on him, to leav토토 카지노g-- that's k토토 카지노d of a change...
[토토 카지노 #51 02:09:36 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Mike Mat토토 카지노ews :
I believe that Nora's character really matured dur토토 카지노g the play. Because she f토토 카지노ally realized that she hadnt been happy for so long that she was confus토토 카지노g the show she had put on with her father and Torvald with actual happyness
[토토 카지노 #52 02:09:41 PM, 2004 년 3 월 11 일 목요일]
Debbie Swann :
Of course she has changed. She's will토토 카지노g to leave everyth토토 카지노g she has ever been TOLD she wanted to go f토토 카지노d what she really wants. She has courage now to live for herself. I don't th토토 카지노k you could say she hasn't changed. She's "icily calm" when she is leav토토 카지노g him whereas before she was bounc토토 카지노g all over the place as to 토토 카지노hibit her 토토 카지노evitable change. But she has accepted it, and is will토토 카지노g to start a new life.